So we all went to Baycon SF convention as part of my early conditioning prior to visiting WorldCon in September. I suffered only minor culture shock (primarily over the Sailor Moon ladies and a women dressed in slightly less than a sheet).
Then we went to watch Brad Templeton, chair of the EFF, get called a "motherfucker" by Harlon Ellison in a debate about copyright issues. Admittedly, Harlon's primary critique of Brad at that point was that he was "looking at [Harlon] funny". But he didn't have much good to say about the Net either.
I channelled the whole thing to the scofflaws on "an Internet" (as Harlon called it in passing) via the #infoanarchy IRC channel. For those who like garbled transliterations, here's the log.
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wmf hey malaclyps
malaclyps i'm sitting watching Cory Doctorow and Brad Templeton duke
it out with Harlon Ellison at Baycon!
wmf awesome
* malaclyps plays "Horns of Shatner" trek fight music
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wmf Ellison needs a load of clue dropped on him
malaclyps i'll be your SMACKDOWN commentator for the next 30
fist-filled minutes!
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kherr Cool, Ellison is awesome.
kherr He's outdated in his thinking of copyright, but.
dnm malaclyps: Over what?
jkl hey dnm :)
malaclyps over DMCA and "Son of DMCA" --- weirdly, Harlon's dead
against the DMCA ...
wmf doesn't he use it against ISPs?
malaclyps because he says that it stops him suing AOL for allowing
his text to appear on their newsgroups
wmf ah
AccordionGuySend in the ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC
malaclyps Wait - Harlon's revealed his Sith Master - AIiiiieee
Loki Zerotheos "I pulled over a thousand feet of cat5 cable
scraps out of my school's dumpster recently. A crimper and a few
Loki handfuls of rj-45 plugs later, my apartment is a neon-blue
rat's nest of network love. I have a cable going from
Loki my fridge to my coffee maker just because I can!"
malaclyps and Cory plays the "Brewster Kahle" trump card
malaclyps Harlon mutters that Brewster Kahle is "arrogant", pots and
kettles walking out in protest
malaclyps it's a packed crowd tonight: lots of slightly overloud
laughing and mullets in the audience
kherr Where are you watching this?
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AccordionGuyIs cory bouncing around like Yoda?
wmf aw, what a cute nick
AccordionGuyIs Cory delivering pimp-slaps from a distance using The Force?
kherr Crap, forgot to summon pizza.
malaclyps Cory is doing the looking broody, pre-bitchslap preparatory
yoda phase
kherr Harlan Ellison isn't someone to mess with. I saw him
verbally flay someone at a lecture once, because the hapless
fool made a crack
about Ellison's height.
AccordionGuyEvenly matched, this battle is.
malaclyps Harlon taking out the EFF, is. -- he's asking the EFF to
get down that pirate that he and Jerry Pournelle are trying to
hunt down
kherr What's Pournelle up to these days? Does he still pretend to be
a technology pundit?
--- tvoj_gone is now known as tvoj
malaclyps www.jerrypournelle.com
malaclyps Harlon says that the EFF is the "police"
wmf no, the Police put out much better music
malaclyps Cory points out that they're a "free speech" organisation
kherr Augh, the Chaos Manor lives.
quinnums i'm just logging in to find out what's going on in this
conference
malaclyps Harlon is accusing the *EFF* of "shooting off their mouths".
Pot and kettle form legal copyright action against him.
quinnums <antinews> wow this harlan guy is looney as a
koot</antinews>
Loki anyone got a url to this ellison thing?
malaclyps brrr-proot fruit the crazyman said
malaclyps Harlon sez: make citizen arrests of copyright pirates
quinnums harlon
stuff here
Loki ugh
Loki that url is WAY ugly.
malaclyps google cache
* tvoj thinks he came back home just in time
kherr Sigh. He's such a good writer, but he's so wrong about this.
quinnums its the eff's fault that people violate copyright, cause they
could stop it, cause they are smarter than him about electronics
wmf lol!
tvoj heh ellison mentions me in his statment:
tvoj "...WHEN LITTLE INTERNET THIEVES, RODENTS WITHOUT ETHIC OR
UNDERSTANDING, STEA..."
malaclyps tvoj: oh, *you're* that russian pirate, huh
quinnums brad blamed him for a child's death in africa, but harlan
got out of it
tvoj no, I am The Vole of Justice
quinnums he said that no, he adopted umbawe and he's doing very well now
silentfury I'd tell that guy he should be put in a mental institution
silentfury putting people in jail over copyright vs violent crimes?
silentfury "Mr. Ellison, do you think that rapists should get less time
in jail than people who violate copyright?"
tvoj that is a rather looney rant
quinnums oh, it's so far before even that
tvoj for one thing, he's screaming in ALL CAPS. he belongs on AOL.
silentfury the trick is to show how much of a lunatic he really is
quinnums i wanna know how much money harland thinks he's lost to
copyright violation
quinnums that not a trick
dnm malaclyps: Where is this? What is this?
quinnums it's not even worthwhile to do anymore
silentfury "Mr. Ellison, do you believe that murderers should get less
time in jail than copyright violators?
wmf malaclyps i'm sitting watching Cory Doctorow and Brad
Templeton duke it out
wmf with Harlon Ellison at Baycon!
tvoj what's happening now malaclyps?
dnm I am not hip with the Baycon. WTF is it?
quinnums everyone knows what an idiot/asshole ellison is
wmf I'm guessing it's a sci-fi convention
dnm He writes decent stories.
quinnums yes, he does
malaclyps kinda dull questions from the audience
tvoj yeah it's a big annual scifi convention
stevej has quit ("gotta run. bbl")
dnm malaclyps: Who is left on the panel or whatever to
answer questions?
silentfury yea but you need to keep emphasizing how looney he is
malaclyps someone made good answer to Harlon who says that techies
should hunt down copyright infringers - pointed out that
quinnums and has a hard time getting them published cause he's
alienated half the publishing industry
silentfury otherwise ppl forget.
malaclyps they've been trying to hunt down spammers, unsuccessfully
dnm quinnums: Funny, that.
kherr Ellison is actually pretty cool. Remember that he was
effectively banned by Spiro Agnew.
malaclyps dnm: panel is = harlon, brad templeton chair of eff, laura
majerus who is a IP lawyer, cory
silentfury I've spoken with Brad before
silentfury very cool guy.
dnm What I want to know is 1) Where's Ray Bradbury to call the
Internet a pinball machine when we need him, and 2) "Where
are the Snowdens of yesteryear"?
kherr He's just really wrong about copyright.
malaclyps and an academic moderator (who seems weirdly biased toward
the harlon viewpoint)
dnm malaclyps: Has Cory (or anyone else) talked about ebooks yet?
silentfury just get harlon to say that rapists should get less time
in jail than copyright violators
quinnums he's also a genuinely mean person a lot of the time, and
another notorious sci-fi misogenist
malaclyps Lara already said that it's weird that there's no
*anti*copyright people on stage
silentfury now that would be icing on the cake.
malaclyps dnm: not yet
dnm Is anyone really anti-copyright? I'm not, I don't think.
malaclyps quinnums is
quinnums there aren't many of us anti-copyright people out there
dnm malaclyps: Can you perhaps proxy ask a question for me?
malaclyps dnm: sure
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wmf Ian Clarke is anti-copyright
malaclyps John Perry Barlow is anti-copyright. I ... waver
kherr I am, I know of at least one other who is.
malaclyps harlon is sitting quiet, looking like he's surrounded by
idiot humans. again.
silentfury malaclyps: ask ellison if rapists should be given less time
in jail than copyright violators.
dnm malaclyps: This is pretty general, but I'm curious to know
what everyone thinks of eBooks as applies to copyright, but
in the context of, if I write an eBook and claim copyright,
where do I stand today. Or, for hillarious effect, alter
the question to rile people up.
malaclyps dnm: not sure i understand your question
quinnums he has a dent in his forehead from where he holds his head
in frustration all the time
dnm malaclyps: I'm out of the loop on what would be the most
incindiary eBook related question to ask.
dnm malaclyps: Well, I'm curious to know what each of the
panel thinks about eBooks, but I want to stir the shit.
dnm malaclyps: And just asking "what about eBooks" is too general.
silentfury also, ask ellison what he thinks of a microchip implanted
in each human being that would kill them if they violated
copyright.
silentfury if he was for that, that would be hilarious.
dnm malaclyps: I'll try to think of something more apropos.
malaclyps silentfury: have you read Noir by K. W. Jeter? Now there's a
guy who actually thinks people should be killed for copyright
infringement
quinnums i think even harlan might notice that kind of baiting
dnm quinnums: What's your elevator pitch about anti-copyright?
silentfury malaclyps: seriously?
silentfury I didn't think anyone was that bad
quinnums i don't have an elevator pitch, but i suppose i should
malaclyps silentfury: seriously.
* silentfury labels K.W. Jeter as a threat to the human race.
silentfury hey Dubya! go get em!
malaclyps i think the feeling may be mutual, unfortunately :(
malaclyps good author though
malaclyps god this moderator is annoying
quinnums how about: in an age of ubitqutous access to info, copyright
becomes a repressive regine to keep information out of the
hands of the people who need it most, for instance minorities
and the third world populations
dnm malaclyps: Ooh. How long does each member of the panel who
writes material covered under copyright and who earns money
from such expect to make a living off of his or her copyright
in say, ten years.
malaclyps Harlon: an "audience of scofflaws"
malaclyps Harlon to Brad: "do not pull funny faces, motherfucker, when
I'm talking"
dnm malaclyps: I'd retort with "we keep you in bread and circuses"
silentfury he called him a motherfucker?
malaclyps yup
silentfury not smart.
quinnums fuuuuuck
[ Aahz Manuch saw this incident
a little differently - dob, 2002-06-24 ]
silentfury what i wouldn't do for force-grip sometimes.
dnm malaclyps: If I had money, I'd pay you a vast sum to rush the
stage and either pie or punch Ellison the fuck out right now.
dnm malaclyps: What questions is the audience asking?
malaclyps harlon: "I have never taken anything out of an internet"
silentfury how can people take this guy seriously
malaclyps harlon *really* winning over the audience now
dnm quinnums: Hrm. I'd say that's only excessive copyright
enforcement. I see copyright as legal credit where credit
is due, and a defense against having people purloin one's work.
quinnums ah
quinnums i don't believe in the author's right to credit
quinnums but like i siad
dnm malaclyps: Really? What is he speaking to that the audience
agrees with so much?
malaclyps i wish i was taping this
quinnums i don't have an elevator pitch
malaclyps dnm: no, being sarcastic. he just accused them all of being
scofflaws
dnm quinnums: Agreed to a point, which is why I was somewhat
ambivalent about putting myself firmly on either side of the
fence.
dnm malaclyps: And they liked that? I guess I'd have to be there
to understand.
dnm malaclyps: Oh wait. Duh. Never mind, I'm dumb.
malaclyps dnm: no, i was just joking. at that point the audience was
shouting at harlon
* dnm nods
silentfury this Ellison guy needs to be drawn and quartered.
dnm quinnums: I think, more basically, that a culture of credit
is pretty piss-poor.
dnm quinnums: But I haven't done enough serious thinking and
debate to shore up my position and outlook.
* tvoj thinks we will all be happier if we just chip in for halan's
medication and be done with t
tvoj it
silentfury the only rights i think an author should have is recognition
for their work.. or moral rights.
* dnm tries to think of a half-decent question
silentfury hm
malaclyps dnm: if i can, i'll ask the question about making money in
ten years time
silentfury do you think Ellison would know about Noir by Jeter?
malaclyps not sure
dnm malaclyps: Cool, thanks.
dnm You NTK people go to all the cool shows. ;]
silentfury "What do you think of KW. Jeter's views on violating copyright
in "Noir" ?
silentfury if he doesn't know and agree, boom
dnm How old is Ellison now? I forget. I last saw him on what I
think was the last Late Late Show with Tom Snyder years back.
malaclyps dnm: he's about 68
malaclyps he was really young when he started
silentfury hrm. so how's his heart?
dnm I think that still makes him junior to Bradbury, who is
like 80 now, IIRC.
silentfury maybe we could induce a heart attack by getting him riled up.
Loki Hard to get him riled up, I'd imagine.
dnm How old is Delaney? I wish he was there. He'd probably have
somethign more intelligent to say.
silentfury "death by copyright"
malaclyps harlon is claiming that he can hack down any user
dnm ?
silentfury hack down any user? or track
dnm H4r10n 311i50n
malaclyps hack into their computers and shut down pirates
quinnums dnm: i'm thought about it a lot about it, but not enough to
encapsulate it in a short speech
silentfury heh
dnm quinnums: Sounds like a conversation best had over good beer.
silentfury doesn't he know it's a life sentence in jail for hacking ? :)
malaclyps a question from a librarian (she said she was a librarian
and got an *instant* round of applause)
silentfury librarian's rock
malaclyps silentfury: ISP guy in the audience promised to "take him down
if he does that to my customers"
quinnums it's just something i've got to write up and put on the net.
with no name on it :)
malaclyps librarian asks about doctrine of fair sale, and how that
works in the digital world
wmf that reminds me... I noticed that whywork has no name on it
silentfury malaclyps: ask him if he's aware of the laws regarding hacking
in the USA Patriot Act
dnm silentfury: That gets off topic quickly.
quinnums why work needs more love
quinnums there isn't anyone behind it anymore
silentfury not if he said he could hack any user
dnm I'm still curious about what such an ensemble of _speculative
thinkers_ who make money by the good graces of profitable
copyright plan to do to continue to eat in a decade.
malaclyps dnm: will ask now
dnm malaclyps: You rock.
silentfury you know what would be funny
dnm I hope Ellison gets into a tiff. I'd have for him to reply
with something lame and off the cuff.
silentfury doesn't Turkey have really really really strict computer laws
silentfury like hacking is death
quinnums they almost called security on him ealier... it was wild...
dnm silentfury: I think Turkey has really really strict everything
laws.
dnm quinnums: You there as well?
silentfury be funny if ellison "hacked" someone in turkey
silentfury and they extradited him.
quinnums yes
quinnums next to mala
dnm quinnums: Sweet.
dnm quinnums: Sad to have missed meeting you folks at ETCON.
Cory's talked about you and I was looking forward to it.
* silentfury thinks the strategy should be to induce a heart attack by
riling him up.
quinnums harlan is useful
silentfury now that would be poetic justice.
silentfury useful? sounds like the idiot is useful at wasting space
and resources
silentfury nothing more.
tvoj silentfury: would matter little, since a crotchety-old-coot
vacuum would form and be filled instantly
dnm You need a Devil's Advocate.
malaclyps dnm: harlon says you've asked a stupid question
dnm Preferrably a smart one too, like Ellison.
quinnums harlan exists in a space that could be oppupied by someone
far more dangerous
malaclyps moderator has rewritten it
dnm malaclyps: I would expect nothing less.
dnm malaclyps: Oh? To what?
dnm malaclyps: Moderator?
malaclyps mderator says "What would life be like without copyright"
dnm malaclyps: Lame!
dnm malaclyps: That's not very bright.
dnm malaclyps: And it's also not what I asked. *sigh*
tvoj rather swift moderator there
dnm malaclyps: Thanks for trying though, I do appreciate it.
silentfury hm
malaclyps harlon: pan and columbian univ did study of freelance writers
- reavealed that 6000 authors create all of the published
content
dnm malaclyps: This reminds me of those question and answer
sessions where the questions are all palateable and the
answers all rhetoric.
quinnums no, 90%
quinnums he said 90%
malaclyps ok
silentfury how about "If you claim you can track down and hack any
pirate, how come you haven't located Osama Bin Laden?"
malaclyps harlon says, in summary, authors do not make much money
quinnums and he said they earn 2600 a year, but i think he accidently
left off a 0
silentfury duh, that's the publishers who rape them
quinnums and every thinks they make a fortune
Loki Harlan Ellison prolly has a decent fortune, and stephen king.
Loki Most authors don't.
malaclyps i don't understand why this helps his argument
silentfury malaclyps: do you think that would be a good q regarding
bin laden?
dnm malaclyps: How do you go about asking questions? Is there
some mediated interface people are typing them into for
the moderator?
malaclyps no, i raised my hand and asked
tvoj i guess he doesn't express much confidence that other
means of distributing creative works could result i a
living wage
malaclyps they liked it that the internet had a question to ask
silentfury i would expect one of two responses
silentfury "Who is osama bin laden"
dnm malaclyps: Ah. And only Ellison had a non-response?
dnm malaclyps: Indeed. The Internet has many questions.
malaclyps dnm: harlon's kinda hijacked the answer
silentfury malaclyps: how about "If you claim you can track down and
hack any pirate, how come you haven't located Osama Bin Laden?"
* dnm wonders if feedharlonellison.com is taken
quinnums heheheheheh gooooood dnm
malaclyps feedharlonellison to cyber pirates
silentfury wipo would fuck u over tho
tvoj heh
silentfury :(
silentfury malaclyps: is my question a little too out-there? :)
malaclyps silentfury: i think i've blown my wad in the question asking
capacity
dnm malaclyps: The Internet would like to know what it has done
to Harlon Ellison to invoke such unmititgated wrath beyond
provide such services as amazon.com with which he continues
to rake in the bucks.
silentfury quinn?
malaclyps dnm: he says he's not pissed off at the Internet
dnm silentfury: I'd hate to ask an Osama bin Question at a scifi con.
silentfury this is a sci-fi con?
malaclyps harlon - "my outrage would be the same as if i was talking
to someone living under a tyrant, saying they can't change
anything, and making money out of the current situation"
silentfury wtf is ellison doing there
dnm malaclyps: Oh? Is this like child abuse then? He's not really
hurting me, he loves me?
malaclyps harlon: "you don't understand that there are *people* involved"
dnm I understand he doesn't understand there are people involved,
and you are but one.
malaclyps silentfury: harlon ellison is "Special Guest" here
malaclyps wooh it's getting hot in here
malaclyps harlon promises this will be the last thing he will say
dnm s/you are/he is/
silentfury dnm: my point by asking that type of question would be to show
how much of an idiot he already is. :)
dnm silentfury: Yeah, but you need to at least wage war on the
same relevant turf. Comments like him hacking users are just
meant as misdirection anyway.
malaclyps harlon summary: most of the people who come to this con don't
give a shit about science fiction
malaclyps harlon: sf has become the feeding ground for many small
fandoms, videogamers, wargamers
silentfury people also come to sf cons to dream about a world of which
he isn't a part of.
dnm malaclyps: harlon doubletalk descrambled: "most of the people
who came to this con don't give a shit about my science
fiction, the only science fiction worth anything"
dnm My opinion of Harlon Ellison has dropped like
92304572934574392349e39 percentage points in the last
half hour.
silentfury be funny if someone called the county mental health centre
on this guy
tvoj that's it for harlan?
tvoj er harlon.
malaclyps quinn asked what about people who can't afford stuff that's
under copyright
dnm malaclyps/quinnums: What was the reaction/fallout from Ellison
calling Templeton a motherfucker anyway?
malaclyps moderator has rewritten the question again
dnm And will someone fucking gag this Stalinist moderating bitch?!
malaclyps dnm: everyone worked really hard to calm them down
malaclyps dnm: i'm probably being a bit hard on him
silentfury really?
malaclyps dnm: he's got a scary job
* silentfury would like to see Brad kick his ass.
dnm malaclyps: True.
silentfury how can you re-write the question if your asking out loud
silentfury ...
dnm malaclyps: Did anyone talk about the Creative Commons effort?
dnm silentfury: Moderator can re-phrase.
malaclyps dnm: cory mentioned the creative commons earlier
silentfury but ellison hears the question doesn't he
dnm silentfury: I don't know. The moderator may get a question
from the audience and then ask it into the mic edited.
dnm silentfury: i.e., questioner does not speak directly into mic.
* dnm shrugs
silentfury that's a pretty in-efficient way of doing things.. at the
copyright conference I was at they just took down our table
number and let us ask the questions from the mic we had at
the table.
dnm silentfury: It's inefficient if you want to ask questions.
It's efficient if you want to control ruckus and lame
questions deisgned to troll.
silentfury true.
dnm quinnums's question is important, I wish someone had actually
asked it verbatim and gotten an intelligent answer.
dnm I suppose Ellison, being the age he is, is all about
Capitalism Now
malaclyps basically the last five minutes has been quinn trying to
ask her question again, and have it elided over
dnm But that's perhaps a bit hasty of me.
tvoj dnm: which question?
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dnm tvoj: What about people who can't afford works under coypright
AaronSw did somebody say copyright panel?
malaclyps hehe
tvoj dnm: oh yeah
malaclyps question to audience: how many have infringed copyright
(lots), how many felt bad about it (not many), how many
did when they were ignorant and now won't do it again (a few)
wmf hey AaronSw, you're in the right channel
malaclyps harlon is still after citizen 513
dnm malaclyps: That pre-supposes a working knowledge of all of
copyright law everywhere. The logic is faulty. Ellison has
surely jay-walked in his lifetime without feeling guilty about
it.
silentfury how many people think harlon ellison is a total lunatic who
doesn't deserve to be human
* silentfury sees everyones hand up
dnm silentfury: You're ad hominem-ing
malaclyps harlon offers five grand for citizen 513 leading to his arrest
and condition
dnm "I am Citizen 513" a la Sparticus.
Loki I am TK-421!
silentfury I am Darth Vader
* dnm makes t-shirts on CafePress reading "I am Citizen 513"
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quinnums is anyone blogging the 5k reward? must happen... quickly... :)
quinnums can't get to my damn server... argh!
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ntkboy oh, btw, harlon says you're all "very funny" for the Spartacus
joke and that he'll talk to you after puberty
Loki Puberty scares me. I don't plan on doing it. Ever.
dnm http://www.cafepress.com/citizen513
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Loki So, it's Ellison's joke about "any random citizen" ?
silentfury anyway it's been fun
silentfury i'm hittin the sack
dnm It's time like this I wish I had Photoshop.
dnm Microsoft Photo Editor wont let me insert text.
dnm But I do have Paint.
malaclyps phew!
malaclyps okay, fights over...
malaclyps he's just exchanged cards with the ISP guy
dnm Why are all my generic close dialog warnings in German now? I
blame Qpad.
malaclyps he says he's going to sue those motherfuckers as soon as his
"hellhounds" see anything infringing on their site
malaclyps i don't know, i think the most interesting bit about this was
the audience
dnm I really don't like it when my PowerBook randomly decides
not to power on.
malaclyps who were admitted infringers, but pro-authors - harlon got
applause and booed
malaclyps in equal measures, i think
dnm Hrm.
dnm Ejecting the battery allows me to turn it on. Strange.
Loki odd
dnm This is the second time it's done this.
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dnm The battery is only holding an hours worth of charge too, but
this was in sleep mode and on mains.
dnm And when I go to turn it on, it's _off_, but the battery is
fully charged and it's still on mains.
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dnm Only ejecting the battery and then pressing power on gives
me any joy.
dnm malaclyps: Weird. What's the mood like now?
Loki What a lonely life.
* dnm heads straight back to #bbokwarez
dnm err, s/bbokwarez/bookwarez/
dnm I don't like this repetitve churning disk noise on boot up.
malaclyps dnm: just talked to the moderator ... he was saying that
harlon is a smart guy, but just doesn't understand the tech
malaclyps well, du
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malaclyps is someone going to blog the $5 for citizen 513?
dnm malaclyps: Apparently.
malaclyps i think jerrypournelle has already publicised the case
dnm malaclyps: I would, but no one reads my blog for that kind of
thing.
malaclyps i was going to do a story about citizen 513 in NTK about a
year ago, but we couldn't see the news angle - they've been
going after that guy for years
dnm I'm still trying to make an image of text so I can make
Citizen 513 shirts
malaclyps hehe
--- tvoj is now known as tvoj_
malaclyps okay, i'm going to go hang out with the klingons and the
girls dressed in anime schoolgirl costumes
dnm I wonder if I can do this in Quark.
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dnm Later malaclyps, thanks again!
malaclyps s'fun!
tvoj later malaclyps
Loki I wish I could find girls dressed in anime schoolgirl costumes
*without* the klingons.