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		<title>By: Petty. Me. Uk. &#187; How Are We Doing So Far, Y&#8217;all?</title>
		<link>http://www.oblomovka.com/wp/2008/08/01/doing-the-transatlantic-splits/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Petty. Me. Uk. &#187; How Are We Doing So Far, Y&#8217;all?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chap has been living in San Francisco for a good few years, and his post the other day got me thinking about my own experience so far. He&#8217;s also one of the founding members of ORG, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] chap has been living in San Francisco for a good few years, and his post the other day got me thinking about my own experience so far. He&#8217;s also one of the founding members of ORG, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Petty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Petty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I just moved from London to San Diego, and this rings many bells with me. I really ought to write something about it myself, but what with going to the DMV and figuring out which milk I like, it&#039;s been too hectic.
I felt this way when I returned to my home town of Bedford in the UK, after a few years in London, for a visit. New buildings, terrifying townie yobs down the High Street, the same reactionary old boys club writing in the Bedfordshire On Sunday.
It&#039;s only been a couple of months in the US so far, so I still feel like I&#039;m on a business trip. That will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I just moved from London to San Diego, and this rings many bells with me. I really ought to write something about it myself, but what with going to the DMV and figuring out which milk I like, it&#8217;s been too hectic.<br />
I felt this way when I returned to my home town of Bedford in the UK, after a few years in London, for a visit. New buildings, terrifying townie yobs down the High Street, the same reactionary old boys club writing in the Bedfordshire On Sunday.<br />
It&#8217;s only been a couple of months in the US so far, so I still feel like I&#8217;m on a business trip. That will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the poor bugger who spent all that time &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cityofsound.com/blog/2006/08/dont_hold_the_g.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;keying in a second Gherkin for Time Trumpet&lt;/a&gt; not only knew that most people would miss the result of the effort - they also had some of those who &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; be expected to notice, noticing and saying &quot;oh right, they built another one - cool&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the poor bugger who spent all that time <a href="http://www.cityofsound.com/blog/2006/08/dont_hold_the_g.html" rel="nofollow">keying in a second Gherkin for Time Trumpet</a> not only knew that most people would miss the result of the effort &#8211; they also had some of those who <em>could</em> be expected to notice, noticing and saying &#8220;oh right, they built another one &#8211; cool&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, not Atlantic, Pacific  ^^</description>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said. I&#039;m just back to SF for a 3-4 year hiatus after living in Japan for 5 years. I&#039;m experiencing these things every time I interact with other people. Like you mentioned, learning a language is a similar experience, but if you&#039;re in that country learning the language, it&#039;s that much more of a profound change in the way you perceive the world. I know that in SF what I see when I walk down the street isn&#039;t what the other people see. And while I am American, I&#039;m not sure what it is that the other Americans see now. From experience I know it will come back, but at the same time, regardless of which side of the Atlantic I&#039;m on, I get to see that world through something like a back-door, and there are so many wonderful things there I may never have noticed otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said. I&#8217;m just back to SF for a 3-4 year hiatus after living in Japan for 5 years. I&#8217;m experiencing these things every time I interact with other people. Like you mentioned, learning a language is a similar experience, but if you&#8217;re in that country learning the language, it&#8217;s that much more of a profound change in the way you perceive the world. I know that in SF what I see when I walk down the street isn&#8217;t what the other people see. And while I am American, I&#8217;m not sure what it is that the other Americans see now. From experience I know it will come back, but at the same time, regardless of which side of the Atlantic I&#8217;m on, I get to see that world through something like a back-door, and there are so many wonderful things there I may never have noticed otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I begrudge Bill Bryson his line that Americans think 100 years is a long time and Britons think 100 miles is a long way, but there&#039;s something to it.

With you on the &#039;oh, that wasn&#039;t there&#039; thing. My home town has odd modern buildings downtown that I can&#039;t quite imagine, and old landmarks have been bulldozed for supermarkets. Chav culture greeted me when I returned a couple of years ago, as a mutation of the Kappa-klad kids of my youth. An Irish expat told me that five years is about the time that you start losing that certainty that you can describe the specifics of &#039;home home&#039; and not be talking about somewhere that no longer exists. I think I&#039;m getting to that point, without the corresponding assimilation bit. Or rather, I think I&#039;ve mastered the art of pretending to assimilate.

Still, there&#039;s a digital equivalent to the expat Brit who becomes a Graham Greene parody of the stereotype, white-suited and gin-drinking. My accent was never likely to change too much, but phoning my parents every weekend locks it in place. I get to listen to Test Match Special and do the Guardian crossword. That, perhaps, was the original genesis of the white-suited shipping agent in New Guinea (i.e. my great-uncle) who could pin his identity to the fragments that came over the short wave radio and on the post-boat. Those, combined with memories of how things looked when you left, hook you to a little bit of the present and a lot of the past.

Parenting? You could talk more about this and still be geeky about it -- what happens when you don&#039;t have the usual concrete points of reference for on-the-job training -- the people who raised you -- while being the kind of person who laps up O&#039;Reilly tech manuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I begrudge Bill Bryson his line that Americans think 100 years is a long time and Britons think 100 miles is a long way, but there&#8217;s something to it.</p>
<p>With you on the &#8216;oh, that wasn&#8217;t there&#8217; thing. My home town has odd modern buildings downtown that I can&#8217;t quite imagine, and old landmarks have been bulldozed for supermarkets. Chav culture greeted me when I returned a couple of years ago, as a mutation of the Kappa-klad kids of my youth. An Irish expat told me that five years is about the time that you start losing that certainty that you can describe the specifics of &#8216;home home&#8217; and not be talking about somewhere that no longer exists. I think I&#8217;m getting to that point, without the corresponding assimilation bit. Or rather, I think I&#8217;ve mastered the art of pretending to assimilate.</p>
<p>Still, there&#8217;s a digital equivalent to the expat Brit who becomes a Graham Greene parody of the stereotype, white-suited and gin-drinking. My accent was never likely to change too much, but phoning my parents every weekend locks it in place. I get to listen to Test Match Special and do the Guardian crossword. That, perhaps, was the original genesis of the white-suited shipping agent in New Guinea (i.e. my great-uncle) who could pin his identity to the fragments that came over the short wave radio and on the post-boat. Those, combined with memories of how things looked when you left, hook you to a little bit of the present and a lot of the past.</p>
<p>Parenting? You could talk more about this and still be geeky about it &#8212; what happens when you don&#8217;t have the usual concrete points of reference for on-the-job training &#8212; the people who raised you &#8212; while being the kind of person who laps up O&#8217;Reilly tech manuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American (relative to British, and I think more widely the European) view of distance is a peculiar one.  We will indeed travel 50 miles for a burger, or think nothing of a daily 60 mile commute (say between SF an Palo Alto).  But this stretching of distances means that Americans seem far less knowledgeable about the local area they live in.  In London, people seem to know a whole lot more about the streets, buildings, shops, etc across very large sections of the metropolis, and how to get there from where they are now.  In the US, people in Palo Alto need a GPS to find each other 4 blocks away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American (relative to British, and I think more widely the European) view of distance is a peculiar one.  We will indeed travel 50 miles for a burger, or think nothing of a daily 60 mile commute (say between SF an Palo Alto).  But this stretching of distances means that Americans seem far less knowledgeable about the local area they live in.  In London, people seem to know a whole lot more about the streets, buildings, shops, etc across very large sections of the metropolis, and how to get there from where they are now.  In the US, people in Palo Alto need a GPS to find each other 4 blocks away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but &quot;chav&quot; as I understand refers to a &#039;class&#039; which people (I use the term loosely) choose to belong to, characterised largely by their generally offensive behaviour, and not to people of a particular social/economic status. A chav may be a pauper or a millionaire. Compare and contrast with the American term &quot;trailer trash&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but &#8220;chav&#8221; as I understand refers to a &#8216;class&#8217; which people (I use the term loosely) choose to belong to, characterised largely by their generally offensive behaviour, and not to people of a particular social/economic status. A chav may be a pauper or a millionaire. Compare and contrast with the American term &#8220;trailer trash&#8221;.</p>
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