I don’t have a comments system because, dammit, don’t you people have blogs of your own to go to? But that does put a bit of an obligation on me to distill the best replies to earlier entries, and try and pass them off as my own. So…
It wasn’t Begbie , oh no, who pointed out saproxy, a spamassassin POP proxy that works on Windows. Or Lee, who mentioned popfile which does that and more.
And it was me, not Barnaby James who recommended SlimBrowser as a good IE-based tabbed/anti-popup browser for people who are funny about using Moz.
And I really did invent the term hinternet, not subconsciously steal it from the (void) folk, who’ve been using it for years.
The funny thing is, that jo’s coinage of hinternet on (void) is pretty much the opposite of mine. They use it to describe a place outside the “controlled web” (which is envisaged to be the corporate AOL-Time-Warner garden of controlled delights), a place where,
…when business has finished remodelling the Internet into their own image the masses will flock (or just never leave) there leaving the rest of us shuffling round, kicking our heels (WARNING: more bad metaphor, excessive cheesiness is bad for your health and may damage your unborn child) under the off ramps of the information superhighway. And it will be just like it was before. The masses won’t want to start rummaging around in the rag tag collection of unbranded sites that make up our world. Even if they did they probably wouldn’t be able to jump out of whatever web tv portal gateway digi box walled padded garden system they’ve subscribed themselves to – if they do manage it then they’ve probably got a clue anyway.
(from Simon’s mail, which you should read in its entirety)
I know this view of the future of the Net but I don’t agree with it, either as an inevitable end or an end to be aimed for.
Where are the badlands on the Net? The difference between a ghetto and your neighbourhood is how much you hate it and whether you’re trapped there. The bubble of links that I live in (when I rarely see HTML mails, and when everybody laughs politely at Microsoft Bob references) is tiny, and would drive most people crazy if they were stuck here for very long. Similiarly, I imagine a lot of the voidsters would rather eat their own fists than live exclusively in AOLland.
But these are differences based on objective value judgements about the content. I’d take a more subjective angle. It’s not a ghetto if you don’t want to live there; it’s a ghetto if the people who live there don’t want to live there. That’s why I think a lot of people who live in the AOL/MSN world are living in a ghetto; they really don’t like it. They’re surprised when I show them somewhere else, and want to find out how to move.
The other difference between ghettos and neighbourhoods is that you can sell a neighbourhoohttps://www.oblomovka.com/wp/2003/04/15/the-hinternet/d and buy more than one ghetto with it. That’s why, in real life, those in the ghetto are truly trapped. That’s not true on the Net (even with the increasing costs of hosting that Simon fears). There’s no scarcity of Web communities. The major part of their cost is simply finding them.
That’s why I think the real ghetto lies in AOLland. We can get from here to there, but they can’t get from there to where they want to be. There’s an implication in the (void) coinage that we should hide ourselves away, proud and separate, deliberately hard to get at – work at being obscure for obscurity’s sake. I don’t think that’s what anyone should do. I want to increase the efficiency with which people can find what they want. You don’t break down walls by building ones on your side of the divide.
(I know that might sound funny from someone who devotes their life to making the obscurist possible jokes to the tiniest possible audience. But I don’t do that to exclude anyone. I do it so I can most effectively signal to people who like that kind of thing, that this is the kind of thing that they’d like.)
The other side of this coin, of course, is that a lot of people do like what AOL and MSN have to offer – far more, I’m sure, than like my tiny bit of the Net. You can talk about cognitive dissonance all you like, but ultimately you have to listen to what people say they want, not what you suspect they’d want had they been exposed to Noam Chomsky and Negativland a bit earlier in life.